"Give with a free hand, but give only your own."
 -- J.R.R. Tolkien The Children of Hurin
Death Club Examples

A "Death Club" is a collection of people who at best seek to find justification for inaction that will expedite the demise someone who has become an emotional or physical drain on them.  At worst, they want to actively hurry things along.  The Club provides support for actions that would cause a burdened conscience.  This is a form of "collective salvation".  Unfortunately, people must face judgment as individuals, not as a member of a group.  And even if a group approves, this does not remove guilt, as former members of the German National Socialist party (Nazi) came to realize. With regard to discussion groups, "death club" means that the topics of discussion are dominated by people who regard death of other people as the ultimate solution to all their problems, and push an agenda of depression and hopelessness.

Proverbs 14:6 A scoffer seeks wisdom in vain, but knowledge is easy for a man of understanding. 7 Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. 8 The wisdom of a prudent man is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.


This is a typical "Death Club" conversation.  Member #1 wants to let her husband die.  She wants to give up, and is looking for affirmation because her conscience must be bothering her.  She thinks that, "well, if other people say it's OK, then my conscience will stop bothering me."  Responder #5 and Responder #7 are looking for the same.

Now, here is the real interesting part.  These people have a tough decision to make, and the situation they are faced with seems hopeless.  But, what if... what if there were things they could try, aggressive avante gard treatments they could try that so far, have only been tried on mice?  What if there were untried ideas for treatments, not only for the cancers, but the Alzheimer's disease too?  I think there are, and I happen to know of a few.  You will find them detailed in other pages of this site.  What do you think would be the response if I were to tell them about these things?  Would they be overwhelmed with joy, thankful, and feel a ray of hope like a sunbeam breaking through storm clouds?  No, they would not.  They have decided that death is good. Death (of someone else, mind you), answers all of their problems. You see, they have decided that they want the person they are responsible for to die, and any person who points out that there are other options, that it is not time to give up, destroys the rationalization they have built up.  They were looking for group approval, group affirmation, and something to soothe their troubled consciences.

There is no such thing as group salvation.  Redemption by group affirmation does not exist.  You will stand as an individual on judgment day and answer for your sins.  It will not matter what anyone else thinks.

These people will be incensed.  Their consciences will sear their souls, and they will reject with as much force as they can muster any suggestion, any scrap of information that they do not have to give up, that they can fight on.  And they will malign and denounce the messenger as "insensitive".


Another example of a thread that started on
Oct 18th 2010.  This one is about Jean Carper's book "100 Simple Things You Can do to Prevent Alzheimer's". What I find striking is the vigorous defense of impotence.  These people want to believe there is nothing they can do, and will go as far as knocking on her door in an attempt to intimidate her from writing things they don't agree with.  I haven't read her book, so I can't say if I would agree with what she says or not, but I whole-heartedly defend her right to say them!


Commenter #3 is quite explicit about her view of the subject, having voted for euthanasia.  This same commenter was also very angry at some posts to the group challenging the opinion that the disease could not be fought, that the only outcome was a slow decline, and nothing should be done to halt or reverse it.

From Aug 11th 2009:
... I usually just glance thru your post because many of them involve testing for this or that and that cost money. Money I don't have and I know the doctor will not order the test. They are interesting and gives food for thought, but to me, your post seem like you are pushing your viewpoint on me and if I don't agree, I am being condemned/judged. Your enthusiasm is pushy and overwhelms me. - That is how I feel...

This reaction really had me puzzled.  This woman was complaining about someone enthusiastically telling her how to fight the disease.  She was feeling "pressured" and "overwhelmed".  But if you read her comment from November 22, 2010, you will understand why.  "...I voted for 'assisted suicide' when I lived in Oregon."  She is a lover of death.  To her it solves all problems.  Anyone who effectively and enthusiastically presented a pro-life viewpoint is a threat.  Her conscience must be bothering her, and the pro-life poster had poked a little hole in the group-affirmation she had been experiencing.

Well, apparently she got her way because the pro-life poster stopped contributing information to that message board.  Since her view was shared by the majority of member, most importantly by the owner/moderator of the group, there cold be no open discussion of the topic (her "feelings").

But this is a road we dare not follow.  Eugenics.  Euthanasia.

First is starts with the "good death" of hopelessly ill people.  Then, when the public becomes accustomed to the idea (their consciences having been seared), the window moves a little bit further to include the termination of unwanted people of all sorts:  mentally ill, mentally handicapped, physically handicapped, and inconvenient pregnancies.  Later, people accept the genocide of others based on race, religion, or political viewpoint.

I'm afraid that the Liberal Progressive lovers of death (of others of course, not themselves, the "elite") have invaded even disease-specific discussion groups.


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